What is canon FOR YOU?

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What is canon FOR YOU?
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EMIYA	Sep 6 2015, 07:27 PM Post #16
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Canon, as far as the original series goes, is anything that Toriyama intends to be part or a continuation of his original work. Whether or not it's consistent or something doesn't matter. That's not what canon is all about. This isn't like a buffet table where you pick and choose what you want and don't want to be part of the main meal. People make the claim that since Toriyama contradicts himself later on, we shouldn't treat this work as canon. That's not how it works my friends. If Toriyama intends for the new material to be canon, then frankly this now takes priority over what was said last time. Its his work, he's allowed to create the rules and regulations surrounding his own series. Whether this makes sense or contradicts previous actions does not matter. Non-canon would be when the non-original creator adds something. Anything Toei Animation adds without Toriyama's consent and to be included as part of his original material would be considered non-canon. Take for example this. Super Boo should not revert into Kid Boo. Aku Boo absorbed Good Boo and became Super Boo. Good Boo go taken out of Super Boo which should logically revert him back to Aku Boo. Instead what do we get? We get a completely new character. Just because of this contradiction doesn't make Kid Boo non-canon now does he?



Mihawk	Sep 6 2015, 07:45 PM Post #17
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Toriyama doesn't know what canon means. And if he does, then he never mentioned it. So no, he didn't intend for the new material to be "canon".



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Sep 6 2015, 07:58 PM Post #18
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I consider practically everything canon to the overall franchise. The question is where do certain things reasonably fit, from a multiverse perspective. This is how I see everything fitting: Dragon Ball Timeline Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Sep 23 2015, 05:37 PM.
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SuperSaiyan1993	Sep 6 2015, 09:20 PM Post #19
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	Anything in the anime that does not conflict with the manga is canon for me. Anime and manga are two different forms of entertainment. If you love television, I do not think one should be held in higher esteem than the other, just because the manga came first. Nevertheless, I respect those who value the source material.
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+ Clearin	Sep 6 2015, 09:31 PM Post #20
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I think it's just easier to split them into different canons: Manga Canon Anime Canon Guidebook Canon Game Canon Movie Canon (Since movies don't fit in with the anime a lot of the time) Toriyama canon (Which is the manga, Toriyama interviews, arguably BoG, RoF and Super...anything Toriyama wrote).



Andro	Sep 6 2015, 09:39 PM Post #21
Posts: 1,854 Group: Member Member #7,941 Joined: July 13, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None	Clearin Sep 6 2015, 09:31 PM I think it's just easier to split them into different canons: Manga Canon Anime Canon Guidebook Canon Game Canon Movie Canon (Since movies don't fit in with the anime a lot of the time) Toriyama canon (Which is the manga, Toriyama interviews, arguably BoG, RoF and Super...anything Toriyama wrote). I think that's kind of silly because what would be the need to even use the word canon anymore?



+ Clearin	Sep 6 2015, 09:48 PM Post #22
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Andro Sep 6 2015, 09:39 PM Clearin Sep 6 2015, 09:31 PM I think it's just easier to split them into different canons: Manga Canon Anime Canon Guidebook Canon Game Canon Movie Canon (Since movies don't fit in with the anime a lot of the time) Toriyama canon (Which is the manga, Toriyama interviews, arguably BoG, RoF and Super...anything Toriyama wrote). I think that's kind of silly because what would be the need to even use the word canon anymore? There isn't a need...there was never a need. Dragon Ball's purely a form of entertainment, one that has no official "canon". When are you ever going to need to know what's canon to enjoy the franchise? And if it's as part of a debate, then just use whichever canon the material comes from - so if you're talking about the manga use manga canon (and maybe Toriyama canon), if you're talking about the anime use anime canon.



Saberoph	Sep 7 2015, 01:16 AM Post #23
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	I have it like this... 1. The Manga. 2. Interviews that doesn't contradict anything in the Manga it's self. 3. Guidebooks. 4. Anime and all Movies, even the recent ones. For the Movies I do place them in a completely different timeline, where things that wasn't possible and/or couldn't be done in the main timeline exist, or elements missing from the main timeline.
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Andro	Sep 7 2015, 09:14 AM Post #24
Posts: 1,854 Group: Member Member #7,941 Joined: July 13, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None	Clearin Sep 6 2015, 09:48 PM There isn't a need...there was never a need. Dragon Ball's purely a form of entertainment, one that has no official "canon". When are you ever going to need to know what's canon to enjoy the franchise? And if it's as part of a debate, then just use whichever canon the material comes from - so if you're talking about the manga use manga canon (and maybe Toriyama canon), if you're talking about the anime use anime canon. Well, what I'm telling you is that you wouldn't even need to say manga "canon". You just say "according to manga", "according to anime" an so forth. Because the word "canon" I believe means "the proper, the norm, the original". Anyway, besides that, what you're saying is what I was trying to say with this topic. That there is no "canon", it's whatever you want it to be. And that's why it was created, as a non-strict and purely entertaining series.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Sep 7 2015, 03:11 PM Post #25
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The original manga and the author's serious and clear explanation.



+ Yusuke	Sep 23 2015, 03:33 PM Post #26
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Pyrus Sep 6 2015, 05:13 PM Video games, Beckett magazines, TCG, and anime filler. The rest is invisible. Was gonna post this but Pyrus took the words out of my mouth. He forgot to mention the old Dragonball PSA's that used to air in Japan but I digress. Spoiler: click to toggle srsly tho. This is how I look at the DB Metaseries as a whole. Universe 1 (Manga Universe) DB Manga > DBZ Manga Universe 2 (Anime Universe) DB Anime (along with the 4 movies) > DBZ Anime (along with the 13 movies and all the specials) > DBGT Universe 3 (New Universe) DB Manga > DBZ Manga > BoG ~ DB Super > RoF
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+ Six Trails	Sep 23 2015, 04:21 PM Post #27
Posts: 1,570 Group: Elite Member Member #11,764 Joined: October 23, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country United States	Manga only.



~~Big Green The Yoshi~~	Sep 23 2015, 05:51 PM Post #28
Posts: 534 Group: GTFO Member #8,762 Joined: December 31, 2012 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk, Real, One Piece, Toriko, Monster, Slam Dunk	1. Original Manga 2. Toriyama's Interview Statements No, I didn't include Super. Edited by Big Green The Yoshi, Sep 23 2015, 05:52 PM.



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